tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post1936748943061775874..comments2024-03-28T02:54:46.537-04:00Comments on The TOF Spot: Button, Button, Who's Got the Button?TheOFloinnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14756711106266484327noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-12062690312783833332013-09-15T18:56:15.681-04:002013-09-15T18:56:15.681-04:00This article is amazing... This article is amazing... Mike loves Jesushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11949676949522258469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-69795796103605550872013-09-01T07:32:35.273-04:002013-09-01T07:32:35.273-04:00Markwardt's 2008 paper, developing his 1998 st...Markwardt's 2008 paper, developing his 1998 still further can be found at: http://ohioshroudconference.com/papers/p02.pdf <br />You'll see there his attempts to penetrate "disciplina arcana" which is useful in supporting some of the ideas in your article. He also refers to the "Hymn of the Pearl", maybe one you're looking for. Dr Brian Colless of NZ is a foremost authority on Hymn of Pearl. You can get to his versions and interpretations starting at https://sites.google.com/site/collesseum/ <br />but all interpretations of Pearl seem couched in controversy! <br />Jack Markwardt tells me he is planning another paper on reconstruction of the early history, to be presented at forthcoming Shroud Conference. Suggest you watch out for it. Best! daveb of wellington nzAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-44533947208539138942013-08-31T12:31:05.709-04:002013-08-31T12:31:05.709-04:00Could be that it was used on one of the sites I vi...Could be that it was used on one of the sites I visited, because I do remember looking up several translations of the "Hymn of the Pearl" and not finding any that corresponded to the claimed Shroud relationship. Everyone knows about the fish. We were taught that in school. TheOFloinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14756711106266484327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-14738936519230631532013-08-31T00:48:47.717-04:002013-08-31T00:48:47.717-04:00Ain't danbrownish. Concerns well-known "...Ain't danbrownish. Concerns well-known "Disciplina arcana", pre-Constantine Christian code to keep secrets from persecutors. Follows Christ's advice "Cast not your pearls before swine!" E.g. "Ichthus" = "Fish" = Jesus; there's a lot more. Markwardt uses it to decrypt early subtext references to the Shroud, somewhat along lines of "Hymn of the Pearl". Strange you say you haven't read it. Seems 'word for word' from his paper, including his references. daveb of wellington nzAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-50311321878176656392013-08-30T10:20:22.875-04:002013-08-30T10:20:22.875-04:00There was an essay by Markwardt regarding Antioch ...There was an essay by Markwardt regarding Antioch on one of the sites that were linked at the end. I have not read either of the others, and 'disciple of the secret' sounds a little danbrownish for me. TheOFloinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14756711106266484327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-50195715360878645322013-08-29T23:39:26.450-04:002013-08-29T23:39:26.450-04:00The article is fine as it stands, but seems to be ...The article is fine as it stands, but seems to be a word for word plagiarism from two authors, Jack Markwardt and Daniel Scavone without proper attribution being given. Jack Markwardt - "Antioch and the Shroud" (Dallas Conference 1998) & "ANCIENT EDESSA AND THE SHROUD: HISTORY CONCEALED BY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE SECRET" (Ohio Conference 2008); Daniel Scavone - "BESANÇON AND OTHER HYPOTHESES FOR THE<br />MISSING YEARS: THE SHROUD FROM 1200 TO 1400" (Ohio Conference 2008). Comment by daveb of wellington nz. <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-29212977039811869292013-08-27T10:52:16.158-04:002013-08-27T10:52:16.158-04:00It seems more likely that one or more of the women...It seems more likely that one or more of the women would have been the ones to first retrieve and store the linen. This would explain, also, why no mention of it is made in the Gospels or Acts.<br /><br />My initial guess would of course be the BVM. But, given her age and emotional state at the time, I would lean toward Magdelene or one of the others, who might have at first kept it either for personal sentimental reasons or out of practicality (linen, I imagine, was not cheap- and there would certainly be others to bury).Adam Woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11287643384473810749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-44683037610894710732013-08-16T18:05:47.721-04:002013-08-16T18:05:47.721-04:00I wonder if anyone will ever try DNA tests on the ...I wonder if anyone will ever try DNA tests on the shroud.royhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13479073112151674855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-37872254552580181382013-08-15T22:11:44.309-04:002013-08-15T22:11:44.309-04:00Touching something to a relic makes the touching t...Touching something to a relic makes the touching thing itself a third-class relic, IIRC. Which is why a lot of people go around touching handkerchiefs (very Acts of the Apostles) or rosaries to relics.<br /><br />So yeah, a Shroud painting is nice, but a Shroud painting that's a third-class relic is nicer.Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-66336473740014010322013-08-15T11:25:43.076-04:002013-08-15T11:25:43.076-04:00Excellent, excellent! I love the wide-ranging topi...Excellent, excellent! I love the wide-ranging topics on this blog. I look forward to reading Eifelheim.Basil Stag Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05249972715160411934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-69186423061649677392013-08-14T10:59:42.462-04:002013-08-14T10:59:42.462-04:00I was a quality engineer, statistician, and consul...I was a quality engineer, statistician, and consultant in quality management. (The first and third will be clear once you realize that "quality" is a noun.) I wrote science fiction as a hobby, and then began to sell. I was always interested in history, but got deeper into the world of late classical and medieval Europe while researching the SF novel <i>Eifelheim.</i>TheOFloinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14756711106266484327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-41163018892856352152013-08-14T10:10:34.258-04:002013-08-14T10:10:34.258-04:00Also interesting to me:
so... you are a writer of ...Also interesting to me:<br />so... you are a writer of (science?) fiction who is also a statistics guy (was that your original line of work?) who also knows piles of detailed information about Late Antiquity and the Medieval period?Basil Stag Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05249972715160411934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-80684210139421300952013-08-14T00:49:58.800-04:002013-08-14T00:49:58.800-04:00Fascinating!
At a monastery near my town, the Dom...Fascinating! <br />At a monastery near my town, the Dominican nuns have a 400-year-old replica of the Shroud on display in the Church. "This Shroud replica was commissioned by the Most Serene Infanta, Maria Maddalena of Austria, Grand Duchess of Tuscany, wife of Cosimo de’ Medici in April, 1624. To give the copy greater value it was placed for a time on the Shroud of Turin" (http://nunsopsummit.org/history/copy-of-the-shroud-of-turin). It is striking to me that even a "modern" copy is centuries old, older than my country!Basil Stag Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05249972715160411934noreply@blogger.com