tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post2336776380757022206..comments2024-03-14T03:14:22.144-04:00Comments on The TOF Spot: They don't really wait very long these days, do they?TheOFloinnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14756711106266484327noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-79296912638276039672015-07-05T21:19:47.074-04:002015-07-05T21:19:47.074-04:00Many of my fellow wingnuts think gay marriage is f...Many of my fellow wingnuts think gay marriage is for the purpose of transforming society. It's more a matter of taking a society that's already been transformed and keeping it from going back. Before the gay-marriage controversy, there was not good reason to claim critics of divorce or illegitimacy were immoral. Nowadays, they can be dismissed as allies of bigots.<br /><br />That doesn't mean it's hopeless. The affirmative consent controversy might be a case of people recognizing there's a problem with the "hookup culture" and trying to translate opposition to it into present-day terminology.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04720409839023747889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-69978955819512075722015-07-03T03:26:13.058-04:002015-07-03T03:26:13.058-04:00Now being a "breeder" requires either ha...Now being a "breeder" requires either having "too many" (either two or more, depending) or living as if you think that actually being a parent to those kids was important. (Doesn't even have to be a stay at home mom, although that's the most obvious.)Foxfierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161683096247890834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-44608452657617426242015-07-01T20:53:00.022-04:002015-07-01T20:53:00.022-04:00From the Michael Cobb piece:
So yes, marriage equ...From the Michael Cobb piece:<br /><br /><i>So yes, marriage equality erases an odious and invidious distinction among straight and us not-straight citizens for which I’m truly glad and which I celebrate. And it’ll make lots of people’s lives better. But it also leaves unexamined the reason sex seems to give you benefits and recognition — <b>and why it orders the world and civilization.</b></i> [emphasis mine]<br /><br />In other words, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Meaning-Sex-J-Budziszewski/dp/1610170997" rel="nofollow">what does sex even <i>mean</i> anyway</a>? A little late to start asking that question.jmhenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10108615537455993311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-75149692034777053712015-07-01T20:21:59.442-04:002015-07-01T20:21:59.442-04:00This points out one of the amazing bits that has b...This points out one of the amazing bits that has been ignored into oblivion: that, 20 or 30 years ago, the party line was that marriage was icky and people who married were stupid 'breeders' who were nearly beneath the contempt of gays. I say 'nearly beneath' because, at the time I lived in San Francisco, and the contempt for me and my wife was palpable. Gays considered their relationships *superior* to marriage, and didn't hesitate to say so. <br /><br />Then, all of a sudden, there was a 180: all the sudden, it became the height of injustice to deny to gays the very same relationship they had been mocking relentlessly for decades. <br /><br />Of course, the 'gay community' as presented by the media is far more homogenous than any sizeable group of gays in reality. What I think we're seeing in the items you quote above is a breakdown in unit cohesion, as it were, in the celebration of the victory. Joseph Moorehttp://yardsaleofthemind.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com