tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post6684111544960857769..comments2024-03-28T02:54:46.537-04:00Comments on The TOF Spot: The Herstory of HypatiaTheOFloinnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14756711106266484327noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-9020272636291306282017-11-06T17:51:48.413-05:002017-11-06T17:51:48.413-05:00Some typos:
1. "...estimates 700,00 scrolls....Some typos:<br /><br />1. "...estimates 700,00 scrolls..."<br /><br />2. "...the the three with whom he forms..."<br /><br />3. "...Socratese says only..."Gusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-19310593005112738772017-10-30T12:34:56.310-04:002017-10-30T12:34:56.310-04:00Roof tiles of the kind used in the ancient (and mo...Roof tiles of the kind used in the ancient (and modern) Mediterranean are particularly effective for stoning people to death. If you hit, you hit; if you miss, the tile is likely to shatter, and a cut from a flying shard can do more damage than a blow from an intact tile.<br /><br />Cf. the massacre of Saturninus’s men in the Senate House, Rome, 100 BC.Tom Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067031472666752839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-59671005065890708332017-10-30T00:04:03.355-04:002017-10-30T00:04:03.355-04:00Basically, in terms that might be more familiar—th...Basically, in terms that might be more familiar—those of martial arts—"school" meant the <i>ryû</i>, the "style", not the <i>dôjô</i>, the physical hall where the practitioners might meet.Sophia's Favoritehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02871625814389904112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-26998404365680873802017-10-30T00:01:01.630-04:002017-10-30T00:01:01.630-04:00The "tiles" in question were used in sto...The "tiles" in question were used in <i>stoning</i>, not ripping off the skin.Sophia's Favoritehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02871625814389904112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-64155302181760931272017-10-29T17:39:45.830-04:002017-10-29T17:39:45.830-04:00Both. "Facility" implies that there was ...Both. "Facility" implies that there was some sort of institution staffed by a "faculty." That in fact, Hypatia was a professor at this "renowned facility," viz., the Platonic/Plotinus School of Alexandria that existed independently of the philosophers who "staffed" it. But there was no such thing as a corporation in them thar days. There were only renowned philosophers and their <i>scholae,</i> their disciples. The "facility" was wherever the philosopher held forth. The Stoics famously held forth on "the Porch." Aristotle taught while walking about, hence "the Peripatetics." (Plato's Academy near Athens, named after the groves of Akademe where they met, did have an independent corporate existence, like the madrassas of the Near East. Plato was wealthy and could afford the endowment.)TheOFloinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14756711106266484327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-35477372721829135512017-10-29T17:00:10.191-04:002017-10-29T17:00:10.191-04:00On point 21, TOF, you write "there in that re...On point 21, TOF, you write "there in that renowned facility," but then you proceed to refute the idea that there was no "faculty." Assuming facility must be a typo? Or is faculty the culprit?<br /><br />Interesting piece otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-89251558877897689172017-10-28T13:50:53.506-04:002017-10-28T13:50:53.506-04:00Here are the accounts:
Roughly contemporary
1. Soc...Here are the accounts:<br /><b>Roughly contemporary</b><br />1. Socrates Scholasticus, Ecclesiastical History. Book VII, ch. 15<br />[As a result of a political turmoil in the City previously described] Some of them therefore, hurried away by a fierce and bigoted zeal, whose ringleader was a reader named Peter, waylaid her returning home, and dragging her from her carriage, they took her to the church called Cæsareum, where they completely stripped her, and then murdered her with tiles. After tearing her body in pieces, they took her mangled limbs to a place called Cinaron, and there burnt them. <br /><br />2. Philostorgius of Cappadocia. Ecclesiastical History, Book VIII, ch. 9<br />Exists only in a <b>9th century epitome</b> by Photius:<br />Philostorgius says, that Hypatia, the daughter of Theon, was so well educated in mathematics by her father, that she far surpassed her teacher, and especially in astronomy, and taught many others the mathematical sciences. The impious [i.e. Arian] writer asserts that, during the reign of Theodosius the younger, she was torn in pieces by the Homoousian [Orthodox] party.<br /><br /><b>5th, early 6th century</b> (Two generations later)<br />3. Damascius. Life of Isidore. The original is lost and has been reconstructed from fragments quoted by others (e.g., in the Suda Lexicon, 10th cent.). <br />For when Hypatia emerged from her house, in her accustomed manner, a throng of merciless and ferocious men who feared neither divine punishment nor human revenge attacked and cut her down, thus committing an outrageous and disgraceful deed against their fatherland. <br /><br /><b>6th century</b><br />4. John Malalas. Chronographia. Antioch. (Mashed with Damascius in the Suda)<br />"His book is a curious farrago of fact and fancy.”<br />At that time the Alexandrians, given free rein by their bishop, seized and burnt on a pyre of brushwood Hypatia the famous philosopher, who had a great reputation and who was an old woman. <br /><br />5. Hesychius of Miletus. Onomatologus. <br />Survives as fragments quoted by others. Only info on titles of her works. <br />Hypatia, daughter of Theon the geometer and philosopher of Alexandria, was herself a well-known philosopher. She was the wife of the philosopher Isidorus [sic], and she flourished under the Emperor Arcadius [sic]. Author of a commentary on Diophantus, she also wrote a work called The Astronomical Canon and a commentary on The Conics of Apollonius. She was torn apart by the Alexandrians and her body was mocked and scattered through the whole city. This happened because of envy and her outstanding wisdom especially regarding astronomy. Some say Cyril was responsible for this outrage; others blame the Alexandrians' innate ferocity and violent tendencies for they dealt with many of their bishops in the same manner, for example George and Proterius.<br /><br /><b>7th century</b><br />6. John of Nikiu. Chronicle. This account is two hundred years after the fact but it survives only in an Ethiopian translation of an Arabic translation of the Coptic original.<br />"...they proceeded to seek for the pagan woman who had beguiled the people of the city and the prefect through her enchantments. And when they learnt the place where she was, they proceeded to her and found her seated on a (lofty) chair; and having made her descend they dragged her along till they brought her to the great church, named Caesarion. Now this was in the days of the fast. And they tore off her clothing and dragged her through the streets of the city till she died. And they carried her to a place named Cinaron, and they burned her body with fire. <br />John of Nikiu is the only early source that calls Hypatia a pagan. <br /><br />None of them mention skinning, flaying, or scraping off the skin.TheOFloinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14756711106266484327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-20615241090226629152017-10-28T12:33:01.267-04:002017-10-28T12:33:01.267-04:00'...none of the accounts mention that she was ...'...none of the accounts mention that she was "flayed alive." That was made up by Gibbons...'<br />First, the man's name was Gibbon, with no "s".<br />Second, as I read the accounts, she *was* flayed alive. Her skin and flesh was scraped off with tiles; that fits the definition of flaying.Clydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04284251045245982464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-17358131381117798702017-10-24T16:44:10.287-04:002017-10-24T16:44:10.287-04:00Any chance of a review of Catherine Nixey's Da...Any chance of a review of Catherine Nixey's Darkening Age about the rise of militant Christianity and the darkening of Europe? Stars Hypatia and the Serapion after which I lost interest in another son of Charles Freeman/Gibbon rant about early Christianity, but I wonder if I'm doing it a disservicetolkeinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08322788161398430426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-5703189336752525492017-10-23T13:39:00.840-04:002017-10-23T13:39:00.840-04:00She could have won the modern pentathlon. If wicke...She could have won the modern pentathlon. If wicked St. Cyril hadn't destroyed all knowledge of fencing and pistol-smithing.thefederalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17514099991587503764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-48346814444943440182017-10-21T17:44:38.580-04:002017-10-21T17:44:38.580-04:00Was gonna say, didn't nuestro hospedero actual...Was gonna say, didn't <i>nuestro hospedero</i> actually mention Dzielska by name?Sophia's Favoritehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02871625814389904112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-44807911083804694962017-10-21T14:47:57.497-04:002017-10-21T14:47:57.497-04:00I relied heavily on that book in compiling my own ...I relied heavily on that book in compiling my own essay.TheOFloinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14756711106266484327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-53691811459876899792017-10-21T11:41:56.686-04:002017-10-21T11:41:56.686-04:00Not Elron! Then it must be true! And we mustn'...Not Elron! Then it <i>must</i> be true! And we mustn't ask how the blazes he could possibly know any such a thing.<br /><br />TheOFloinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14756711106266484327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-86603336029376684342017-10-21T09:01:34.693-04:002017-10-21T09:01:34.693-04:00Apparently there is a thing going around that Theo...Apparently there is a thing going around that Theon, like Clark Savage Sr., planned to train Hypatia to be the perfect human being. Unlike your actual Neo-Platonist who hated bodies, this story says that a perfect human being has to train in athletics. So she allegedly was good at walking, running, riding on horseback, rowing, swimming, and climbing mountains.<br /><br />This apparently came from Hubbard, but has been elaborated upon. It is in math department webpages. It is in a children's picture book.Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-54997966906059331252017-10-21T04:44:39.098-04:002017-10-21T04:44:39.098-04:00Highly recommended
http://www.hup.harvard.edu/cata...Highly recommended<br />http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674437760The Overgrown Hobbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806927514541692971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-15382513237746566212017-10-16T22:41:02.724-04:002017-10-16T22:41:02.724-04:00Uh...also by this Hehe guy? This. So, I mean...who...Uh...also by this Hehe guy? <a href="https://medium.com/@joshuashawnmichaelhehe/masters-of-magick-dee2b4076b01" rel="nofollow">This.</a> So, I mean...who's surprised? At the point where he's unironically talking about "magick", you might as well be arguing with the Nation of Islam.Sophia's Favoritehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02871625814389904112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-92227006841134649472017-10-16T07:22:15.648-04:002017-10-16T07:22:15.648-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14196084149572512082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-68582793804108578102017-10-13T16:56:40.784-04:002017-10-13T16:56:40.784-04:00I left a comment under the herstory with a link to...I left a comment under the herstory with a link to this review... alas, the author blocked me.B'Rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09589481932549072724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-46895401886999028762017-10-13T11:09:01.120-04:002017-10-13T11:09:01.120-04:00I ordered a herstory from Amazon the other day and...I ordered a herstory from Amazon the other day and am waiting for it to come in the femail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-79056158254334139452017-10-12T15:34:26.102-04:002017-10-12T15:34:26.102-04:00I want to add my thanks for the work you've pu...I want to add my thanks for the work you've put into this and your other historical series. Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00901005508617852416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-23796737148408558732017-10-12T10:51:17.849-04:002017-10-12T10:51:17.849-04:00Sorry, I'm going to have to rely on your obvio...Sorry, I'm going to have to rely on your obviously biased and disjointed account of Hehe's (Hoho's, Haha's) tome, because I don't really want to join his following. The signup costs are too high.<br />No doubt two hundred years from now, as we are discovering the internet isn't REALLY forever, his version will have to be back-formed from surviving works like yours. Supposing anyone to be alive two hundred years from now with enough interest in his work to back-form it.thefederalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17514099991587503764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-37389149811877359972017-10-12T10:48:05.277-04:002017-10-12T10:48:05.277-04:00Brilliant, and a joy to read. Actual history is s...Brilliant, and a joy to read. Actual history is so much better than what passes as history today. David Griffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06629314279592541401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-81909794333075836552017-10-11T15:30:42.286-04:002017-10-11T15:30:42.286-04:00Sounds very much like someone picked up a historic...Sounds very much like someone picked up a historical fiction novel and mistook it for a scholarly work.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06258018053907426729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-50935050944292934922017-10-11T14:05:24.097-04:002017-10-11T14:05:24.097-04:00"Alarmist" may be the most accurate of h..."Alarmist" may be the most accurate of his job descriptions.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17109095347818446088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-85172470713606520232017-10-11T12:33:08.772-04:002017-10-11T12:33:08.772-04:00Thanks again for all the work you've done here...Thanks again for all the work you've done here. <br /><br />Hypatia, Bruno, Galileo: the chasm between the historical characters and the Enlightenment icons never seems to close, but instead widens. As was once said, with less applicability, about God: if these three didn't exist, they'd have to make them up. Oh, wait...Joseph Moorehttps://yardsaleofthemind.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com