tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post8911079755088513444..comments2024-03-14T03:14:22.144-04:00Comments on The TOF Spot: Shrouded in MysteryTheOFloinnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14756711106266484327noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-76020090789702407102016-12-05T11:49:38.593-05:002016-12-05T11:49:38.593-05:00Hello, have you heard of this?
http://www.ucatholi...Hello, have you heard of this?<br />http://www.ucatholic.com/news/scientists-opened-christs-tomb-detect-mysterious-readings-support-shroud-theory/ <br />What do you think of it?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18114881195302121179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-19467415723741298222013-08-27T14:06:11.728-04:002013-08-27T14:06:11.728-04:00Mr. Flynn, Do read, if you haven't, The Physic...Mr. Flynn, Do read, if you haven't, <i>The Physics of Christianity</i> by Professor Frank J. Tipler, a Christian and a physicist and mathematician. He includes discussion of the blood type and DNA testing of blood taken from the shroud in the initial modern examination. The DNA results are consistent with an XX-male (a rare occurrence—about 1 in 20,000—which would also be consistent with a virgin birth.<br /><br /><i>Pax et bonum</i>,<br />Keith Töpfer<br />Martial Artisthttp://austrolibertariancatholic.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-33253083313017147622013-08-24T07:41:42.834-04:002013-08-24T07:41:42.834-04:00Can we expect more carbon dating/testing of the sh...Can we expect more carbon dating/testing of the shroud one day?<br />ChrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-24705773547009768342013-08-16T10:26:53.645-04:002013-08-16T10:26:53.645-04:00I believe it is real.I believe it is real.Vladtepeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12735763721716542431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-89972223580832468032013-08-14T23:30:35.131-04:002013-08-14T23:30:35.131-04:00And one other thing besides the hair that I don...And one other thing besides the hair that I don't believe the diffusion theory is capable of accounting for in principle: If both the body's front and back left imprints on the cloth by Maillard reaction, then the top of the head (which the cloth was draped over) should have done so as well. That is, the front and back images should be one continuous image, connected at the top of the head.The Deucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09664665914768916965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-91442922281467213262013-08-14T12:32:22.731-04:002013-08-14T12:32:22.731-04:00Also, it seems to be pretty certain and well-attes...Also, it seems to be pretty certain and well-attested, in my own research into the matter, that the blood is really blood. Less certain is the blood type (tested as AB), whether blood type testing on old blood gives meaningful results in the first place, whether the blood really contains traces of Y-chromosomes, etc.The Deucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09664665914768916965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-64180338483943719242013-08-14T12:13:57.292-04:002013-08-14T12:13:57.292-04:00Ah, I left a sentence incomplete up there. It was ...Ah, I left a sentence incomplete up there. It was supposed to read, "Aside from the C14 date and the lack of detailed known history concerning the Shroud, which you find out up-front when you start looking into it, all the other evidence favors authenticity."The Deucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09664665914768916965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-86907733116748537712013-08-14T12:10:52.824-04:002013-08-14T12:10:52.824-04:00For my part, I think the Shroud is both authentic ...For my part, I think the Shroud is both authentic and the product of a supernatural miracle. I was originally skeptical (good Protestant here), and expected that as I looked into it more, the less it would hold up, but the opposite is actually true. The more you learn about the image, the more impossible it seems that it could be a forgery. Aside from the C14 date and the lack of <br /><br />One thing that is for certain is that, barring time-travel, the reasons we have today for thinking it authentic and possibly miraculous could not possibly have been forged.<br /><br />The 3D information, the photo-realism of the image, the image-negativity, and the extreme superficial and uniform depth (200-600nm), among other things, weren't even visible at the time of the supposed forgery, and wouldn't be for centuries. So any forgery theory must say that the supposed forger, in setting out to make a faintly smudged-looking cloth to fool people with, somehow created all those effects by accident as a side-effect.<br /><br />There are also a number of less-obvious features that must be factored into that as well, such as the very-accurate placement of what seems to be real blood on what would have been a barely-visible image, particularly up-close, and the various ways you mentioned in which the image is simply unlike Medieval depictions of Jesus.<br /><br />The diffusion theory is the best *naturalistic* explanation, imo, but not the best explanation. For one thing, we don't know if it's even possible to make a detailed image that way, much less likely. As you say, we could imagine that it happens frequently but is never checked, but it still seems odd that we wouldn't have at least a couple other known examples.<br /><br />My expectation would be that any image formed that way would be more, well, diffused. More seriously, I don't believe that theory even hypothetically accounts for why the <i>hair and beard</i> are included in the image.<br /><br />The other issue is that the diffusion theory pretty much hinges on the conclusion that the Shroud really is Jesus' burial cloth, and to my knowledge, all of its proponents believe that to be the case (though they don't all believe that he rose from the dead). But given the premise that it is Jesus, and given that the only known case of this sort of seemingly-miraculous image-formation happened to the one guy in history who we have independent reason for believing rose miraculously from the dead - together with the clarity of the image and the presence of the hair - it seems to me most reasonable to conclude that the apparent image-miracle and the independently reported resurrection-miracle are tied together.The Deucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09664665914768916965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-447603865959500290.post-72509833025752732512013-08-14T05:57:18.734-04:002013-08-14T05:57:18.734-04:00Thanks, Great posting. See mention at http://shrou...Thanks, Great posting. See mention at http://shroudstory.com/Dan Porterhttp://shroudstory.com/noreply@blogger.com